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Poster: FreeDem Date: Mar 8, 2007 12:32pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re:Flame wars

Not to get into a 2 person flame war (and get flamed from both sides) but there is quite a few videos that can clarify all sides of this.

For the first point Kieth Olbermann said it way better than I ever could and that video is here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVeXUhwMeLw
few people have been more eloquent on the point.

Secondly I agree that the loose brains group is nuts. I suspect (but cannot prove) that they are a Republican group trying to make all who think official stories are a bit weird sound nuts.

There is however a lot more sensible research, that has a lot more questions than answers, but even that is a first step to understanding. Few folk have had more focus or energy in pursuing answers to what happened than the so called "Jersey Girls" who lost their husbands in 9-11.

They have taken all they have discovered and many of the questions and put them in another video that has no fantasy physics, or impossible conspiracies, or any unvetted information. That video is here http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1016720641536424083
the timeline they talk about is here
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project
for anyone who wants to see the range of vetted information.

The BBC also did a terrific series of three one hour shows that also dealt with the reality, and history of who and what the Islamists were and are that deserves a look here:
http://www.reallynews.com/video/pon/powerofnightmares.htm

And finally an Afgan-American Tamim Asary who knew the real story before most of the rest of us wrote a letter of caution days after 9-11 that called for intelligence rather than a feel-good "bomb them till the bricks bounce" that every American felt in those days that brought my own jingoism to a quick halt at that time. Now that letter can be found here: http://www.snopes.com/rumors/ansary.htm.

Even if nearly every word from this administration regarding the threat was true, the rank stupidity, incompetence, corruption, and stated goal that there be a permanent war to give them power, makes them more dangerous than any gang of thugs that are at the margins even, of the society that they live in, aside from being halfway around the world.



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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Mar 8, 2007 1:41pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Re:Flame wars

Although slightly touching on a conspiracy theory about republicans in itself, your post had a lot of things to back up whatever side you are on (or not on?) I'll definitely check them out... Thanks for providing those links.

Is it time to go home yet?

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Poster: FreeDem Date: Mar 8, 2007 3:02pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: More info and fixed links

Unfortunately there is no preview or edit on this so a few of the links need help the "Jersey girls" video did not work but here is a new try http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5589099104255077250&q=Press+For+Truth
and the Tamim Ansary letter had an extra period at the end of the sentence that caused that link to fail, so here it is again without the period at the end
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/ansary.htm

As I pointed out before the horrors of incompetence, and stupidity are so extreme as to suggest that they are deliberate. Peter Galbraith had a ring side seat and listed the incompetence in stunning detail, but said that he believed it stupidity beyond any possibility of planning, even in the face of his own attempts to educate that eventually forced his retirement.

In his book he has a picture of a room full of records of Saddam's secret police, who they were and, who the informants were etc (basically a laundry list of the names and addresses of the insurgents and what they did for Saddam)Nir Rosen has an article here that tells what happened to that room full of records here
http://www.bostonreview.net/BR31.6/rosen.html

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Poster: glenn Date: Mar 9, 2007 1:38am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Re:Flame wars

Thanks for the links.

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Poster: realtimeentertainment11 Date: Apr 25, 2007 3:43am
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: Re:Flame wars

Wow, out of all the things, I never thought stuff like this was happening on this site!

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